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| Psycheros |
發表於 - 08/02/2002 : 12:12:43 AM
洪老師，請問若要購買占星書籍，在台灣可有價錢合理的地方？
因為我想了解有關宮位制的問題，原本有人推薦我看 Computers & Astrology一書，但該書似乎已經絕版，後來又有朋友推薦HOUSES, WHICH & WHEN以及The Astrological Thesaurus, Book One, House Keywords兩本書，請問除了網路購書外，是否還有其他管道可購得上述書籍？
另外，請問您對以上書籍評價如何？謝謝您撥空回覆！
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| Robert |
發表於 - 05/24/2006 : 4:15:57 PM
FROM: http://destiny.xfiles.to/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=2073193&an=0&page=0#2073193
puka 的話真是講到心坎裡了。 我與洪能平也有同樣遭遇，呵呵。
不過還是給個線索好了，有關占星學的計算，可以上網查這本書：
Astronomical Algorithms
經典！內行的一看就知道。
回應puka2000:
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我遇到一些人就是心態不正確，只想佔小便宜，
跟你講你也不會感謝，我何必講，又沒拿你甚麼好處。
光是外文書，你們知道嗎，我就起碼花了接近卅萬台幣在原文書上。
我已經非常願意分享，把書目列了，好書標出來，
如果十幾年前我遇到這樣的資源，起碼可以省下十幾∼廿萬花在買爛書的錢！
更別論甚麼天星論命、擇日的斷訣或觀念，
一句真話，往往可以讓你省下幾十萬，甚至省下七八年的虛擲光陰！
套句jwjwo大大說的，你想推心置腹，別人不想和你推心置腹。
套句潘文欽大大說的，分享是你有我有才叫彼此分享，我有你沒有算甚麼分享。
套句阿漫大大說的，我不相信免費得到的東西你會去珍惜，得來容易你不會珍惜。
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| peakhour |
發表於 - 08/08/2002 : 8:41:27 PM
客氣了 
「開發高階的占星程式」──現階段是理想，希望以後能接近理想。 目前在占星生活大師網站所開發的論斷系統還未全部完成，還有很多要努力的。
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| Psycheros |
發表於 - 08/06/2002 : 5:12:02 PM
peakhour大大，昨天身體欠安，故未及時回應，抱歉！
我想自己是遇到高手了，沒想到在占星網站還能遇到精於天文計算者。說實話，我自己對分宮原理是只求定性了解，而非定量的精算，因此當初用到的計算參數並未考慮到您所說的時間差，只是以一般的方法計算，見所得結果與Astrolog產生的一樣便滿足了，並未繼續追求更高的境界，在此恐怕要辜負您的錯愛了。
不過，真的很高興能知道台灣還有精於此道者，不知大大您是否在開發高階的占星程式，所以才有如此精密的計算要求？
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| peakhour |
發表於 - 08/04/2002 : 5:38:45 PM
客氣了
沒想到您對宮位計算如此感興趣。若宮位之占星學用法，我是無法提供你相關網站，但占星學相關計算倒有一家值得推薦。
你使用球面三角算出的升點 （應該是占星學所稱的「命度」，ASC，ascendant）與頂點 （應該是占星學所稱的「天頂」，M.C. or mid heaven），不知有否考慮可視的日出、日落時間, 也就是ET (Ephemeris Time) 和 UT (Universal Time) 的時間差。還有，因為占星學年代久遠，幾千年前用的恆星定位，到如今可能有移位，也影響到宮位計算的精準度。
有關資料，我想你一定要去參考SWISS EPHEMERIS (http://www.astro.com/swisseph/sweph_e.htm?lang=e)，股東包括Robert Hand 跟一些NASA JPL 人員。
這些天球物理已經遠超我的專業，我只能用他的utility做計算，掌握這些計算，要算日、月蝕；交點或小行星軌道也不難，也可用來算衛星軌道。若您有能力理解，歡迎您再來POST一篇心得。
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| Psycheros |
發表於 - 08/04/2002 : 4:11:59 PM
peakhour大大，感謝您的分享！^^
去年我曾自己設立一星盤，用球面三角的計算式求出升點和頂點坐標，純屬土法煉鋼，目的只是為了確定分宮原理。剛在網路上找到一份資料，主題是「The Mathematics of Astrology - Dose house division make sense?」，不知是否有您感興趣的資料，在此提出供您參考！
http://www.math.nus.edu.sg/aslaksen/projects/kh-urops.pdf
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| peakhour |
發表於 - 08/04/2002 : 10:42:22 AM
quote:
原文為Psycheros發表。
peakhour大大，您的意思是說你們有談論宮位制的中文資料嗎？可有出書的可能？倘若沒有，要經怎樣的付費手續才能看到呢？
Hi, Psycheros:
您誤會啦，我是說我們在這裡討論的這一個主題啦！ 現在我們在這裡寫的，日後都可從搜尋引擎找到的。
不過有關宮位制 (House System) 的資料真的不多，其實這些宮位制大多過時，使用上有爭議，這也是漢堡學派所摒棄不用。以下是我僅有的，供您參考。我對宮位制的計算比較感興趣，其他相關資料或用法，可能要問洪能平比較清楚囉。
6.1. House Systems
The following house methods have been implemented so far:
6.1.1. Placidus
This system is named after the Italian monk Placidus de Titis (1590-1668). The cusps are defined by divisions of semidiurnal and seminocturnal arcs. The 11th cusp is the point on the ecliptic that has completed 2/3 of its semidiurnal arc, the 12th cusp the point that has completed 1/3 of it. The 2nd cusp has completed 2/3 of its seminocturnal arc, and the 3rd cusp 1/3.
6.1.2. Koch/GOH
This system is called after the German astrologer Walter Koch (1895-1970). Actually it was invented by Fiedrich Zanzinger and Heinz Specht, and it was only made known by Walter Koch. In German-speaking countries, it is also called the "Geburtsorthäusersystem" (GOHS), i.e. the "Birth place house system". This name was chosen by Walter Koch because he believed that this system was more related to the birth place than other systems. He believed this, because all house cusps of this system are computed with the same polar height, namely with the "polar height of the birth place", which has the same value as the geographic latitude.
This argumentation shows actually a poor understanding of celestial geometry. With the Koch system, the house cusps are actually defined by horizon lines at different times. To calculate the cusps 11 and 12, one can take the time it took the MC degree to move from the horizon to the culmination, divide this time into three and see what ecliptic degree was on the horizon at the thirds. There is no reason why this procedure should be more related to the birth place.
6.1.3. Regiomontanus
Named after the Johannes Müller (called "Regiomontanus", because he stemmed from Königsberg) (1436-1476).
The equator is divided into 12 equal parts and great circles are drawn through these divisions and the north and south points on the horizon. The intersection points of these circles with the ecliptic are the house cusps.
6.1.4. Campanus
Named after Giovanni di Campani (1233-1296).
The vertical great circle from east to west is divided into 12 equal parts and great circles are drawn through these divisions and the north and south points on the horizon. The intersection points of these circles with the ecliptic are the house cusps.
6.1.5. Equal System
The zodiac is divided into 12 houses of 30 degrees each starting from the Ascendant.
6.1.6 Vehlow-equal System
Equal houses with the Ascendant positioned in the middle of the first house.
6.1.7. Axial Rotation System
Also called the "Meridian house system". The equator is partitioned into 12 equal parts starting from the ARMC. Then the ecliptic points are computed that have these divisions as their rectascension.
6.1.8. Horizontal system
The house cusps are defined by division of the horizon into 12 directions. The first house cusp is not identical with the Ascendant but is located precisely in the east.
6.1.9. ThePolich-Page (“topocentric”) system
This system was introduced in 1961 by Wendel Polich and A.P. Nelson Page. Its construction is rather abstract: The tangens of the polar height of the 11th house is the tangens of the geo. latitude divided by 3. (2/3 of it are taken for the 12th house cusp.) The philosophical reasons for this algorithm are obscure. Nor is this house system more “topocentric” (i.e. birth-place-related) than any other house system. (c.f. the misunderstanding with the “birth place system”.) The “topocentric” house cusps are close to Placidus house cusps except for high geographical latitudes. It also works for latitudes beyond the polar circles, wherefore some consider it to be an improvement of the Placidus system. However the striking philosophical idea behind Placidus (i.e. the division of diurnal and nocturnal arcs of points of the zodiac) is completely destroyed.
6.1.10. Alcabitus system
A method of house division named for Alcabitius, an Arab, who is supposed to have lived in the 1st century A.D. Others connect it with an Arabic system that dates from the 10th century at the earliest, and the name of the astrologer-astronomer with the 12th century Alchabitus. This system is the one used in the few remaining examples of ancient Greek horoscopes.
The MC and ASC are respectively the 10th- and 1st- house cusps. The remaining cusps are determined by the trisection of the semidiurnal and seminocturnal arcs of the ascendant. The houses are formed by the lunes created by the true house circles that pass through these cusps and the North and South points of the Horizon. This varies from other quadrant systems, in which the trisection occurs along the ecliptic. [quoted from 'Prima', a Matrix program]
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| Psycheros |
發表於 - 08/03/2002 : 9:12:55 PM
peakhour大大，您的意思是說你們有談論宮位制的中文資料嗎？可有出書的可能？倘若沒有，要經怎樣的付費手續才能看到呢？
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| peakhour |
發表於 - 08/03/2002 : 12:15:02 PM
客氣了！
要在網路上找占星學宮位制的資料，中文的，我看就我們台灣一小群人。 :-)
但英文站台應該會有很多才是，但我不確定。ASTROLOG那個程式有開放源碼，或許對你有用。
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| Psycheros |
發表於 - 08/03/2002 : 08:26:09 AM
感謝兩位大大的指導！小弟獲益良多。
想請問peakhour，您所提供的資料，不知是否能在網路上找到類似的？
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| peakhour |
發表於 - 08/02/2002 : 11:25:24 AM
如果你想瞭解Placidus的計算方法，可以看以下說明：
Placidus
This system is named after the Italian monk Placidus de Titis (1590-1668). The cusps are defined by divisions of semidiurnal and seminocturnal arcs. The 11th cusp is the point on the ecliptic that has completed 2/3 of its semidiurnal arc, the 12th cusp the point that has completed 1/3 of it. The 2nd cusp has completed 2/3 of its seminocturnal arc, and the 3rd cusp 1/3.
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| Herbert |
發表於 - 08/02/2002 : 03:27:05 AM
Computer & Astrology同樣的書名有兩本，
其中最重要的一本，確實已絕版了！
其作者即為WinStar的老闆，但另一本並沒絕版。
另外，就宮位制來說，
倘若你想知道的是有關計算方面的詳細資料，
則你所提及之書，皆缺乏此內容！
書中所談只是皮毛！
重點是宮位的涵意，而並非是天文計算。
這方面的資料相當少，
AFA的期刊曾有登載過，
另外有一本專書，書名「Placidus」，
專門解說「Placidus宮位制」，有介紹計算，
是屬於很專業性的書籍，可惜目前已絕版了。
在購書方面，可上網向AFA訂購，
除此之外，似乎別無他途！
找人去國外購買，雖是可以，但不一定找得到你想要的書。
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